Comments on Daniel Hemmens' Review and Discussion: The Age of the Five Trilogy

Dan Hemmens starts another of his multi-part epic review thingys.
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Re: Serious dearth of immigration in fantasy worlds
I was going to blather on about most writers not knowing much about the nuts and bolts of immigration and how that might have some effect on things, but then I realized that research and even the tiniest shot of realism in the arm usually gets immigration and changing countries on the map. I.e., if a romance author (Joanna Bourne) can write a totally awesome story including majorly switching countries all over the place and people having strong ties in both lands, I see no reason why fantasy authors do not. The truth is, fairly ordinary people move around all the time, and have moved around since forever. The distances they move and that sort of thing may increase or decrease with policy, societal expectations and technological aids, but the fact remains essentially the same.

Apart from that, though, I'm glad I didn't bother with this trilogy now. BMT was all right, but not all right enough that I felt like reading the last book (I didn't think anything New and Awesome would happen, and the heroine was kind of irritating my by that point, so). I cannot stand ham-handed "I CAN HAZ RELIGION"-based plots in books anymore, and knowing the heroine of ATF was a priestess just kept holding me back.

Lastly, re unimaginative magic, I'm still really chuffed at the way David Abraham handled magic in his books. I'll describe his magic system with one sentence: poets are the equivalent of magicians. I think his growing series (alas. He's doing okay so far, though) is the only one I've checked out solely because of the innovative-sounding magic system. I don't mind unimaginative magic systems so much if they are supported by good worldbuilding and a good story, but when the world is wonky and the story is predictable, I'd rather just not bother.
at 02:13 on 2008-04-06 by empink
It's yet another case of the Fantasy Religion Problem: the more a fantasy author explicitly includes gods and religions in their stories, the more likely it is that they don't even slightly understand the whole idea of "religion" in the first place.

It's probably down to two issues:

- People who actually believe in a God or gods, and have actually thought about how deal with religious ideas in fiction, are more inclined to write about them through allegory (see Narnia) than through having gods directly appear in their stories because, amongst other things, if you believe that God is real you are going to be mildly reluctant to put words in his mouth.
- People who don't believe in God, and don't have much sympathy for those that do, tend to write about the worst aspects of religion when they choose to address religious topics - hence, corrupt priests and scheming, not-really-divine gods.

Of course, there's exceptions. The Left Behind guys clearly believe in God and pretty much rewrote Revelation for money (I'm pretty sure there's a line in Revelation about horrible curses for people who do that sort of thing). I'm pretty sure there's a few agnostic and atheist SF/fantasy authors who don't treat the subject of the divine with contempt, though I can't name any off the top of my head. But ultimately, authors almost always use gods in their books as an opportunity to hold forth on their ideas about religion, and if your view is that religions are fundamentally human institutions and that there's no such thing as God your ability to depict convincingly non-shitty gods in your stories is going to be hampered, unless you're willing to undertake the difficult task of writing from a point of view you don't share and lack sympathy with.
at 11:42 on 2008-04-06 by Arthur B
Apart from that, though, I'm glad I didn't bother with this trilogy now. BMT was all right, but not all right enough that I felt like reading the last book (I didn't think anything New and Awesome would happen, and the heroine was kind of irritating my by that point, so).

As you may have gathered, I'm still guiltily fond of Trudi Canavan, and despite her heroines being - well - kinda Mary Suish, I still kinda like them. On the other hand if you didn't get on with the BMT I don't think you'd get on with AotF because it's more similar than it is different.

I cannot stand ham-handed "I CAN HAZ RELIGION"-based plots in books anymore, and knowing the heroine of ATF was a priestess just kept holding me back.

As Arthur points out, Fantasy authors are abysmal at religion, because as he points out they tend to be either religious, and therefore not willing to write about God or Gods directly (Lewis, Tolkein) or they're atheists, and therefore just don't get this whole religion thing in the first place.

Which is basically going to be the subject of the follow-up article.
at 09:38 on 2008-04-07 by Daniel Hemmens
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